I once was told that a work of art isn't complete until it stands on it's own no matter how you look at it.
multi views should be a personal alarm that tells you you need to work on photo composition when doing sculptures... Senior year in animation? I could have sworn they teach screen composition and layout design...
I would have to admit when I first read the comment I wanted to in a rage type some very violent things.. but violence over the internet accomplishes noting.. But to defend my right to make decisions is just that, and you have a right to your opinions. That is what things are for. I have read what my friends have said and same for you. I am glad you are taking your time and thinking out the responses.
Tho.. the fact of the matter is I chose to do the many view thing to show the shape and anatomy of the character. And on the matter of entering all of them.. well how shall I say this.. I wanted to have every chance possible to even get noticed.. until this piece I was just in a shuffle and never getting any notice .. I had maybe 3,000 page views altogether. I was not that noticed and I didn’t mind that at all. I was in total shock to see how the reaction of it took off. Now also before I even posted I checked the contestants daily so I didn’t make anything like others. But what I did notice is others with sculptures had entered multi views. I thought noting of it. Also this is the FIRST DA contest I have ever entered. So in back sight yes I should have not entered the pictures. But as it seems so I did, sorry if I offended anyone.. and was entering the SCULPT. No harm was done.
I accept the fact of the constructive crit. But I do defend my choice of going to my college. Without it I would have not gotten this far in my art skills at all. And as for the photography aspect, I have competed in juried photo contest,(Artist Guild of Northwest Georgia). I was doing noting else and just entered on a whim. I got 3rd. I did not expect this. So I can set up a composition in a photo. So I can set up a photocomposition. This may not be the best picture ever but when I chose to take this shot I was going for aggressive emotion.
That’s all I can think of to say ATM. Have a swell day.
You've been through art school then too? I'd love to hear what it was you majored in, since I also think you're just talking out of your ass. What does photo composition have to do with sculpture? Have you ever made a maquette or done any sort of concept work at all? It's a professional practice to show a design from multiple angles. This particular picture of this design is actually really effective in making the creature appear menacing, and thus the composition is really successful. Please just stop being scathing just for the sake of being a jerk.
I've been really patient with the ones replying to me on this. And I am known for my patience, but I do want you to understand that it is starting to wear thin.
I am not going to answer any question directly, because you've basically just spewed the same (originally) well thought argument that I've answered twice... and I do not want to regurgitate what I've had to repeat.
I will say that I did go to college, my major was time based media design (3D animation, 2D animation, Storyboarding, Concept Design, Character Design, Film, Acting, etc.) I did not finish my degree due to a very serious physical malady that may actually cause me to die in the near future.
With that being said I would like to let you know that a degree in art means... let me get a piece of paper and do the math on this one... mhmm... carry the two... oh yea, it means exactly jack shit on a stick.
I have seen incredible artists who have never set foot in a university... and I have seen poorly drawn anime wannabe comics from very annoying people holding masters degrees.
If you constantly hold those who have degrees on a pedestal, you will be unpleasantly surprised by the independent uncertified artist who pulls the carpet right out from under you.
I will also comment now on the state of artists in this community. Mainly this fascination with 'nice'.
When everyone is nice to everyone else it creates a horrid place for artists to expand their talents. Those who insult, condemn, and destroy are often those that drive and inspire the most... when an artist is backed in the corner they will either quit or exceed their original limitations. If they quit, than they were never truly cut out to be an artist, not commercially anyway. If they exceed, than they've learned something valuable. Even if that lesson is simply the ability to see from another person's point of view.
I am a nice person. I am not a nice artist. I condemn nice artists for their perpetuation of a complacent community. If I see something wrong, I will comment. I will speak my mind. And I really don't give a fiendish flying fuck if someone thinks I'm rude or vile or talking out my ass. I do, however, take the time and extend the courtesy to reply to everyone who thinks they understand what they or I say.
I want to thank you for coming to your friend's defense. But is that really the best thing for her?
As an animation major, and a senior at that, we are taught that multiple views are a good thing. This thing is not about the photo composition, it's about the sculpture. Multiple views is just showing the viewer more of the piece, and it shows no lack of abilities in the sculpture. If you are being picky about the placement of the sculpture within the picture plain, then go look at some photography. If this piece wasn't under the category for this competition, it would be under sculptures. Not photography. Did you go to art school? Just wondering. It sounds like you don't really know what you're talking about. Or you do, and you're just in the wrong place to talk about it.
Using art school as a benchmark for knowledge or adeptness in any art form is going to be a huge downfall for you, so I suggest not looking at life through college colored glasses. With that remark, you have disrespected some of the greatest minds in all fields of art, both past and present. But, looking past that, and as a matter of information and fact, I did go to a college. Columbus College of Art and Design, to be exact. And my major was, in fact, Time Based Media (CCAD talk for 'Animation, film, storyboards, etc, etc.'
Let me refine what they should have made clear to you... Multiple views ARE a good thing, in the building stages of the project. Just like a large scale single illustration, multiple views (like thumbnails, character sheets and turnarounds) help the team of artists (or a single artist) get the characters, scenes, and pacing down right so they can create there work.
Did you hear about disney re-releasing pinocchio next year? Yea, it's the same movie, only they redrew all the scenes to be a quarter rotation to the right around the center of the scenery... They're calling it Pinocchio Y=30
Wait... no...that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?
True, this is a sculpture, but your final product was a 2D still media piece (don't deny it... dA doesn't allow us to upload sculptures in their full 3D forms) and the overall flow should have been treated as such. Or, you could have at least stitch all the views together in a single image...
The problem I have is principle. You took the judges time as they tried to decide between the three views of your sculpture. You had a single good view, and that was the one that was picked, but they still had to decide between three of yours.
This multi view thing really shows a lack of respect for the other artists... and I will stand by that no matter what. You could have picked one shot. You could have made a single piece with three pictures stitched together. Instead, you chose to up your chances (subconsciously or not) by submitting multiple views of a singular work when one should be enough.
Artists who feel the need to show off detail shots, or show multiple views using separate compositions need to understand that the point to a single work of art is to express an idea or emotion. To share a message with the world.
If you feel that you cannot do so with one submission... there may be a few questions you need to ask yourself.
On a lighter note, I do like the sculpture... I never said I didn't. Not praising is not the same as insulting and I would like more people to understand that.
I wish you all the luck in the world in your senior year and congratulations on the semi-finals. I do hope you understand me a little better after this.
ah I get you now I think. You're just wanting to play devil's advocate. That's fine by me, but do it in a nicer manner. I think you could end up hurting someone's feelings. Heck, you hurt my feelings and I'm not the artist. It's just because you weren't really portraying that you were trying to help. It honestly sounded like you were all upset that she has a lot of favorites and views on this piece and yours doesn't. Aren't you both in the top 25 though?
Be that as it may, maybe she was wrong in submitting more than one view, but she wasn't the only one who did it for this competition, or any competition that happens on dA where people create sculptures for submission. I never remember dA saying that submitting multiple views of one piece is prohibited for this competition. If you strongly believe in this becoming a reason for disqualification, the dA administrators are very nice and will read your complaint and respond in a timely manner.
As for my college colored glasses, I find that the bench mark for upcoming artists in specific fields are held greatly on experience, which nowadays you can only get through guess what! college. Back in grade school I was never taught what inbetweens were and what 24 fps meant, and unfortunately I came from a poor family who couldn't afford any cool programs for me to fiddle around in and accidentally learn animation. Yes, the animators who started the business never had schooling, but it is a MUST now (I guess because it exists as a major). If I never went to school for animation, I could never in the future even dream of getting a job as an animator. I think my career path has been tainted by the success of schooled animators and therefore I'd have to be friggin' awesome at life to gain my way as even an inbetweener.
And instead of "not praising" a piece of artwork, we at SCAD (Savannah College of Art and Design) are taught that it is more professional to do what is called "constructive criticism." Bashing her major by saying "Senior year in animation? I could have sworn they teach screen composition and layout design..." because you were "once was told that a work of art isn't complete until it stands on it's own no matter how you look at it" is basically saying "Hello, I'm an unprofessional person who likes to bash other peoples artwork to make my life sound superior. Oh, you didn't get that I actually thought your work was nice? Oh. Well, life sucks for you doesn't it."
I would go for more of this approach (we like to call it "I like this, but maybe this"):
"I really like your sculpture and I feel this could totally be in the movie ((if you don't feel that way, just leave it out)). Though, I'm kind of taken back as to why you decided to submit multiple views of the same sculpture. Really, you wouldn't need more than just this one. I feel that this view alone shows the viewer how epic this piece is. Wish you the best of luck!" ((and never mention how you think it's wrong because it doesn't matter if it's not stated in the rules. Even if it is, go to dA in a note.))
I looked at your gallery to make sure that what you said originally was coming from an artistically minded and sound individual, and I saw you already had a job as an artist, you are artistically talented, and you have lots of great ideas and concepts, so I wasn't too upset afterward. I think it's just in the way you present your critique.
Sorry for getting defensive. I feel like I have to defend victims of needless attacks.
As I am currently working on a large project, I'll respond to this briefly.
I do not coddle. My criticism was not "this is shit" or "way to go on your cheap and selfish ploy to get more people to look at your sculpture." I did not unnecessarily bash the artist... I see that the work has many people saying that it is great... I see it has many positive remarks. I did not feel that I needed to join that bandwagon.
As for your 'education is a must'
Well, that sort of falls flat... you have enough money for a book? you obviously have the internet. I built my own lightbox when I was eleven years old from plans I found in a school library book. I animated on that light box enough to show for my portfolio (which I burned onto a simple cd) which helped to get me a scholarship to CCAD. Ingenuity, creativity and drive are what matters. Not education. I tell you this with no contempt for you. I really want you to know this to be true. The originators were nothing more special than we are. Books, videos, pamphlets, these are all available to the person who goes out to find it.
As for digital art... I'm working with an intuos 1... an obsolete model which wacom doesn't even supply replacement pens for. I found a person on craigslist who never used it. I bought it for $50 and subsequently got a job modeling toys for him. things happen when you least expect them... and formal education really has nothing to do with it.
I have news for you... you have to be insanely awesome just to get a job as an inbetweener at any major name studio even with a MASTERS degree right now... but, insanely awesome comes from your willingness to make yourself so and to fight for it with all you are.
If more people knew that talent and skill matter more than a degree... and that you can develop that talent and skill without getting a degree, things would be easier... but the colleges have created a stigma. With youtube, digital portfolios, and yes, even dA, a person's exposure can get so high that public opinion can matter far more than a single piece of paper. Do not sell a person's individual abilities short while deifying those that simply pass certain criteria.
as for everything else, I am glad that you were able to put your opinion across. it is something that people take for granted. and I could have easily ignored you or hid all your comments.
I am sorry you became upset at what I was telling the original artist, but, to tell you the truth, I have gotten into heated arguments with Spyed himself about the way things are going with dA. (which is one reason why I doubt I will be listened to with any sort of understanding ear if I noted dA about it. And plus, that just seems too indirect for my taste. As a child I always resented the one who went to the teacher instead of coming to me if they had a problem. We take authority for granted far too much and underestimate people's ability to handle problems and conflict.)
this will be the last response from me, however. My work has been sorely neglected. and I still have many pages to go before it is complete.
Thank you for the kind words about my work. I do enjoy some of yours as well. your character designs are solid. but I do think you could do with some more anatomy work.
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`anmari has been spreading her infectious positivity throughout our community for over 6 years. Throughout this time Ana has been at the core of all things devious, passionately developing an eclectic gallery, helping organise devmeets, participating in chat events and also recently completed dedicating her time as a Community Volunteer. We are absolutely delighted to bestow the Deviousness Award for May 2013 to `anmari, congratulations! Read More